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Texas is one of four states that still has a law banning the sale of sex toys.* Or was. This week the 5th Circuit US Court of Appeals struck it down.
    "This case assesses the constitutionality of a Texas statute making it a crime to promote or sell sexual devices. The district court upheld the statute's constitutionality [...] We reverse the judgment and hold that the statute has provisions that violate the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution."

* Actually, the law is much worse than that. It bans promotion or possession with intent to promote sex toys, and then defines: "Promote" means to manufacture, issue, sell, give, provide, lend, mail, deliver, transfer, transmit, publish, distribute, circulate, disseminate, present, exhibit, or advertise, or to offer or agree to do the same.


They rely heavily on two of the most important sex rights cases the Supreme Court has decided:
  • Lawrence v. Texas (2003), which legalized consensual private sex, including sodomy and BDSM and gay sex and group sex - anything consenting adults choose to do without intending for it to be public (IOW, a peeping tom doesn't make it "not private").

  • Griswold v. Connecticut (1965), which legalized the pill, and the sale & use of contraceptives in general.

They used Lawrence to evaluate the consitutional right in question, and the state's supposed interest in suppressing it, and concluded that "the asserted governmental interests for the law do not meet the applicable constitutional standard announced in Lawrence v. Texas."
    "Because of Lawrence, the issue before us is whether the Texas statute impermissibly burdens the individual's substantive due process right to engage in private intimate conduct of his or her choosing."
Several times in the ruling, they use the phrase "an insufficient justification for the statute after Lawrence" when referring to each of Texas' justifications for the law, implying that before Lawrence, courts might have given weight to those supposed justifications, but that's all settled now and those justifications (like "morality") no longer fly in suppressing a basic right.

They used Griswold to establish that a ban on public commercial transactions can violate individuals' private rights, and that those who wish to engage in those commercial transactions do have standing to go to court on behalf of their potential customers.
    In the landmark 1965 case of Griswold v. Connecticut, which invalidated a ban on the use of contraceptives, the Court recognized that the plaintiff pharmacists "have standing to raise the constitutional rights of the married people with whom they had a professional relationship."

    ... Griswold, where the Court held that restricting commercial transactions unconstitutionally burdened the exercise of individual rights.

So, Because of Griswold, "the statute must be scrutinized for impermissible burdens on the constitutional rights of those who wish to use sexual devices" - rather than merely the constitutional rights of those who wish to sell them.

Both Griswold and Lawrence were decided based on the Constitutional right to "privacy", a right which is not specifically mentioned in the Constitution but which the Supreme Court has held is implied. It's based on the 9th amendment, which states that just because a right isn't specifically mentioned should never be held to mean that the right does not exist or is not protected, and the 14th Amendment's "due process" clause, which extends most of the Bill of Rights to state governments. We hear a lot about the right to privacy as being associated with the right to end a pregnancy, but it's not just abortion, it's also about the right to have sex. Without a Constitutional right to privacy, we wouldn't have the legal right to:
  • Buy, sell, or use condoms or the pill

  • Buy, sell, or use vibrators or dildos

  • Have oral sex
... and state laws could criminalize any of those things if they chose to.

Texas, Alabama, Mississippi, and Virginia were the only remaining states with laws against selling sex toys. Several other states had such laws but they were struck down by their own state courts. Since Mississippi is also in the 5th Circuit, this decision striking down Texas' probably also invalidates the Mississippi law, leaving just Alabama and Virginia.

Thanks to [livejournal.com profile] ratatosk for pointing out this decision.

Date: 2008-02-13 18:23 (UTC)

From: [identity profile] cinnabarine.livejournal.com
It's pretty ridiculous that this is something that is even brought up in courts and that there are laws regarding. Sheesh.
Date: 2008-02-13 20:10 (UTC)

From: [identity profile] hugh-mannity.livejournal.com
IIRC, it wasn't all that long ago that it was illegal for a divorced woman to remarry (and then have sex) in Massachusetts.
Date: 2008-02-13 20:22 (UTC)

From: [identity profile] eirias.livejournal.com
This is unrelated, but I love your socks! :)

Uh, just to keep the thread on topic I will chime in: sex toys = good, dumb laws = bad. Yeah.
Date: 2008-02-13 21:53 (UTC)

From: [identity profile] cinnabarine.livejournal.com
I'm probably just propagating an urban legend here, but isn't it possible to commit mutual rape according to Massachusetts law (if both people involved are intoxicated)? Crazy, crazy sex laws.
Date: 2008-02-14 09:36 (UTC)

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From: [personal profile] kengr
In many states it's *still* possible if you are underage.
But they'll rarely prosecute the girl.

Date: 2008-02-15 19:59 (UTC)

From: [identity profile] sauergeek.livejournal.com
The MA SJC had severely circumscribed the existing MA laws even before Lawrence. See the entire case history behind Commonwealth v. Ferguson, 384 Mass. 13 (1981). No, I can't find a copy of it freely available online, but the gist of this case and its predecessors is that the MA laws prohibiting various forms of sexual conduct do not apply to that conduct in private, and (now we're specifically dealing with Ferguson) "private" has a rather broader definition than you might think.
Date: 2008-02-13 18:25 (UTC)

From: [identity profile] entrope.livejournal.com
I lived in Texas from 1999 - 1004. During that time, it was fairly easy to find sex toys that were not anatomically correct (i.e., things shaped like bananas or dolphins).

After 2003, even anatomically correct toys started showing up with small labels that said "for medical use only, do not use with unexplained calf pain." Some other stickers in common use said that they were for safe sex demonstration purposes only.

I ordered most of my toys from toys in babeland during that era. Whenever I called and gave them my shipping address, they murmured sympathetically.

Strange but true. You never know what people will manage to do in order to work within the letter-but-not-spirit of the law.

(Very glad to hear that this is finally over. I was always appalled that more people weren't appalled by Texas' weird and draconian sex laws.)
Date: 2008-02-13 21:32 (UTC)

From: [identity profile] yehoshua.livejournal.com
Educational or medical purposes. e.g., it was legal to own a dildo so one could show an audience how to apply a condom, but if you enjoyed it you were a felon.

I assume you've seen the Molly Ivins joke on youtube, but in case you haven't, it's ten and a half minutes to set up a twenty second long joke. But it makes fun of my favorite Bible-thumping dwarf from Pampa, so it's all good.
Date: 2008-02-13 19:06 (UTC)

From: [identity profile] jes5199.livejournal.com
I worked in an adult video + novelty store in Alabama in 2002. We sold sex toys during the ban: the laws were enforced sporadically enough that the owners were willing to risk it.
Still, I want freedom to come to my home state. What has to happen, legally, to make these Texas precedents become universal?
Date: 2008-02-13 19:19 (UTC)

From: [identity profile] marphod.livejournal.com
By law, the statue in Mississippi is now unenforceable, as well.

Mississippi is in the 5th Circuit as well, so the judgment will apply to their law as well, unless there is a provable fundamental difference in the law.

(That is, until and unless the Supreme Court takes the case. Or the 5th circuit hears the case again, en banc.)

For what its worth, the senior judge was a Carter appointee, and the other 2 sitting judges were Bush appointees, one GWB and one GHWB.
Date: 2008-02-13 19:40 (UTC)

From: [identity profile] pseydtonne.livejournal.com
I am juiced about this decision. Strap one on for great justice!

Griswold v CT is my favorite example of how far we've come yet how far we have to go. Oh, and swear words on juke boxes.
Date: 2008-02-13 21:47 (UTC)

From: [identity profile] cinnabarine.livejournal.com
Strap one on for great justice!

:D Awesome.
Date: 2008-02-13 22:13 (UTC)

From: [identity profile] novapsyche.livejournal.com
The word "privacy", during the time the Constitution was written, denoted a toilet. That is why the term "the right to privacy" never enters that instrument.
Date: 2008-02-15 05:26 (UTC)

From: [identity profile] novapsyche.livejournal.com
Oh, I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just pointing out the fact that documents are themselves beholden to the culture and language at the time they are written, and that those who hold to "literal interpretations" of the Constitution (instead of viewing it as a living document) are mistaken.
Date: 2008-02-13 23:13 (UTC)

From: [identity profile] nebel.livejournal.com
In november, i was in a sex shop in texas. Right off a major highway.... with a sign proclaiming that it existed and that the next exit should be taken for LOVE! it looked just like a sex shop in new jersey... unless i'm going quite mad they sold porn and sex toys and everything else.

Was this blatantly illegal? Or was I just completely hallucinating?
Date: 2008-02-14 15:29 (UTC)

From: [identity profile] nebel.livejournal.com
I wasn't purchasing them so it didn't come up. We were in for a bachelor party and just bought some porn and other random stuff...so i didn't get a speech during the check out process :) But interesting! i had no idea.
Date: 2008-02-14 01:50 (UTC)

From: [identity profile] crista.livejournal.com
Hi, totally random person who was linked here.

I am the manager and buyer for what is referred to here in Dallas as an 'Adult Novelty Store'. Of course in most other states you'd call it a sex shop, and maybe tomorrow I can as well.

Some items we cannot get in Texas, but for the most part we sell what everyone else would. My guess is, as [livejournal.com profile] cos said, they never mentioned the words 'vibrator' or the like, either made you sign a document about how this is needed medically, or at some point used the hated words 'cake topper' or 'novelty massager'.

My store is located in a suburb of Dallas and the ban is not actively enforced unless there is a community complaint. I've been doing this a number of years and have never been so much as ticketed, though that is mostly luck I believe. The store you mention is prolly much like mine. We dance around the edges of the law, but the only people running any real risk are the poor people behind the counter. There is a store I know of not too far from me where when hired you are instructed about how your eventual arrest will go down.

Date: 2008-02-14 02:04 (UTC)

From: [identity profile] drstein.livejournal.com
I was just going to say... I moved to the DFW from the SF Bay Area and I have seen more porn shops and 'adult boutiques' here than I ever did in California. (They were chased out of much of the SF Bay Area for being 'offensive to children' and stuff)

I've also seen billboards advocating breastfeeding here, something I never saw in CA.

Paint me confused...
Date: 2008-02-14 03:47 (UTC)

From: [identity profile] crista.livejournal.com
I'm not from Texas, been here about 3 and a half years and I've got to say I like this place a whole lot more tonight than I did this morning. [livejournal.com profile] cumaeansibyl sent me a link earlier.

*phew* I cannot properly express how amazing it is going to be to go into the store in the morning without the worry I was getting arrested by the end of the day.
Date: 2008-02-14 18:18 (UTC)

From: [identity profile] leiacat.livejournal.com
Hi - I'm yet another randomly linked person, and my brain just exploded.

If I may ask, just what manner of items in question did the state of Texas advocate putting on top of cake, please?
Date: 2008-02-15 00:46 (UTC)

From: [identity profile] crista.livejournal.com
Items like this (http://www.adulttoyweb.com/proddetail.asp?prod=DJ027004&cat=107).

I'd LOVE to see the cake that could stand up to that baby.
Date: 2008-02-15 16:59 (UTC)

From: [identity profile] leiacat.livejournal.com
Hi, and lovely to meet you!

That is not an easy question. Someone on my flist linked to this post by way of announcing the good news. Since we have a number of people in common and I have a mind like a steel sieve, I'm not actually sure who, but I can try to dig it up if you wish. Or, you can just count me a fellow susboid, which in my experience accounts for just about anyone meeting/knowing just about anyone. (I do not believe we've ever met, but I'm not wholly discounting it, either.)
Date: 2008-02-15 17:41 (UTC)

From: [identity profile] leiacat.livejournal.com
I suspect the answer is "no, but we know all the same people" unless you tend to go to cons outside of Boston (because I at least occasionally go to a number of other regional ones but am yet to make it to Arisia), in which case I'm fairly sure we're unlikely to have actually interacted even if we met.
Date: 2008-02-15 17:39 (UTC)

From: [identity profile] leiacat.livejournal.com
The mystery is solved. Despite several far more direct connections, I followed the link from [livejournal.com profile] griffen, who in turn found you via [livejournal.com profile] supergee whom I don't know, who quotes you via [livejournal.com profile] netmouse whom I believe I do vaguely know but not read, who in turn links to you directly.
Date: 2008-02-26 23:31 (UTC)

From: [identity profile] folzgold.livejournal.com
Off topic question:

When you commented over at Conventioneers that you would rather things not be linked off-blog, do you mean that you'd click on an in-blog link, or that you want to see the whole text in the post?

I just want to clarify so that Lindsay, Dan, and I can establish a cohesive, easy to use style.

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