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Reading The Rise of the Creative Class crystallized for me the idea, which I already had, that our new age of easy communications actually makes physical, geographic locations more significant, not less. Paul Graham's new essay, Cities and Ambition, presents another view of how cities matter - one that also seems familiar, but that I hadn't thought about in quite that way.

Some cities are centers for particular kinds of activity. Such a city subtly sends you a message related to that activity - by the things you see walking down the street, by the snippets of conversation you overhear, and many other ways. A city's message, he argues, comes from the fact that there is something people in that city tend to consistently view as more important than other things, and this attitude is catching. It's a three-way cycle:
  • People move to that city because they value what it values above other things, and because it is a center for that activity
  • People in that city value that thing because the city is a center for it, and because a lot of them moved there because it was the thing they already valued more
  • It is a center for its activity because it is known for it so people move there to do that thing, and because people living there are encouraged to value that thing, which in turn encourages the activity itself

To really know a city's message, Graham says, you probably have to live there for a while. As examples, he gives the paces he has lived, and the messages they send:
    New York City: You should make more money!

    Silicon Valley: Be powerful. And start companies.

    Berkeley: Live better. Enjoy life.

    Boston, especially Cambridge: You could be smarter. Read more, learn more. Develop ideas.

He also gives a stab at interpreting the messages of some places he's been to but hasn't lived in, while acknowledging that he's not sure and that a local might interpret it more accurately. For example, he thinks the message Paris was sending him was "do things in style; appreciate art and beauty". And not all cities send a coherent message, because not all cities are focused in that way.

Where do live? What message is your city sending you?

Have you lived somewhere else that sent a clear message? What was it?

Edit: To clarify, in case you don't click through to read Graham's essay, in his formulation a city's message is both the thing it suggest you should aspire to, and the thing that people generally respect and honor most, and think is cool. So the coolest, most honored & respectable thing you can be in Silicon Valley is someone who started a now-influential company; in Boston, it's a smart person who had a great idea or created something new; in New York, it's being rich.
Date: 2008-05-29 16:18 (UTC)

feuervogel: (yeah right)
From: [personal profile] feuervogel
I think it's a bunch of pretentious codswallop, personally.
Date: 2008-05-29 16:22 (UTC)

From: [identity profile] clara-girl.livejournal.com
i think you're right. but do you think that cities have personalities?

new orleans and los angeles, for instance? i think they are extremely different (and maybe aren't even fair to compare) but i think cities have personalities... and often i think the personality i see is as much a reflection of how i spend my time in it as anything else.

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Codswallop.

Codswallop?

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From: [identity profile] rmd.livejournal.com
somerville sends the message that tom champion wants me to move my car.
Date: 2008-05-29 16:27 (UTC)

From: [identity profile] melindadansky.livejournal.com
Chicago: Sweet Zombie Jesus, but it's cold out here!

The message I got in Boston was "You parents should have worked harder so you could have the money and leisure to be educated."

The message I got in New York was "You should be hipper."

The message I got in St Louis was "Drink. Drink a lot. What else is there for the working class to do?"

The message I get from Raleigh is "This is a nice place. Let's pave it."

Seriously, though, I think his picture of cities is a little oversimplified. Large cities have sections that are very different from each other. SoHo in New York is completely different from Wall Street. North and South Chicago are so different the might as well be on the other side of the country from one another. Places pick up vibes from the people who live there, but those places could be a neighborhood, a street, or a lone happy house planted squarely in the middle of suburban hell.
Date: 2008-05-29 18:31 (UTC)

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From: [personal profile] kirin
Clearly you should move over towards Chapel Hill; we've got more trees. ;)

(Technically I live in Hillsborough, which is nearby for half the price.)
Date: 2008-05-29 16:28 (UTC)

From: [identity profile] amadea.livejournal.com
The message NY is sending me is do the thing you are doing. do it all the time. don't bother to look around you much. just keep moving.
Date: 2008-05-29 16:38 (UTC)

From: [identity profile] missionista.livejournal.com
I agree. I don't think NY's message is necessarily make more money. It's "Do more (of whatever, possibly including making money). Move faster. I'm late."

So far, I've been having trouble decoding SF's message. I think it is somewhere on the play-follow your bliss-create stuff spectrum, but I'm still refining it.

Seattle's message was "Slack off. This is where dreams come to die." Although, having said that, I actually did finish school there, and liked the place a lot. But never felt like dreams could be achieved there.

London's message was "Relax, have another drink. No one really gives a damn."
Date: 2008-05-29 16:32 (UTC)

From: [identity profile] mzrowan.livejournal.com
I think Cambridge, and particularly Central Square, says, "Dance!". Not so subtly, even, if you look at the entrance to the Dance Complex.
Date: 2008-05-29 19:09 (UTC)

From: [identity profile] clara-girl.livejournal.com
to everyone? it apparently does to you, which is great! and i think cities and neighborhoods give particular messages to particular people, based on their perceptions and experiences... but i'm not sure that it's universal.

i'm siding with "lj user="akiko"> above on this, and calling "wankery" on the idea of cities having a universal message.

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where i've lived lately

From: [identity profile] clara-girl.livejournal.com
somerville sends the message that density is good.

jamaica plain says that green space is good for you, and walk your dog.

allston says that college kids will beat each other up in brighton ave at two am over nothing at all.

brighton says nothing at all, it sits there quietly and collects yuppies in a holding pen before they find something to do with their lives.
Date: 2008-05-29 18:20 (UTC)

Re: where i've lived lately

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From: [personal profile] mangosteen
brighton says nothing at all, it sits there quietly and collects yuppies in a holding pen before they find something to do with their lives.

I assure you, I've found plenty to do. Then again, we were waiting for something to happen (that has finally happened) so that we could move to someplace more useful to us.

So. Hm.

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From: [identity profile] lifecollage.livejournal.com
Oddly enough, I just started Richard Florida's newest book Who's Your City?, which talks about this very thing. Thirty pages in and it's mighty fine thus far.
Date: 2008-05-29 17:11 (UTC)

From: [identity profile] cinnabarine.livejournal.com
New Haven: Our 13 year olds are tougher than you!

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Northampton: Gay for social change

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From: [identity profile] elfy.livejournal.com
Cologne, Germany: Be a hip student, be a hip media-person - best would be both.
Or it says: Want another Kölsch*? What, carnival is over already? No problem, we got something else to celebrate!

* = local beer. not a brand, but a certain kind of beer.
Date: 2008-05-29 18:22 (UTC)

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Part of the message NYC sends for me is "Fuck me? No. Fuck YOU."

A nicer way of saying it is "If you're in my way, you better have enough power to stay in my way, because otherwise you're getting out of my way."
Date: 2008-05-29 19:55 (UTC)

From: [identity profile] awfief.livejournal.com
I found it more to be like "I'm more important than you. Get out of my way."

I don't really feel the "be smarter" in Cambridge/Boston. Also, for whatever reason, this all strikes me as a very middle-and-higher-class white and perhaps even male viewpoint of cities. Because when you're poor, LIFE tells you that you need more money, not a city. I don't believe that high school graduates in the Boston area constantly feel a loss at not going to college, at least not any different than other cities.

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I hate Eugene.
Date: 2008-05-29 19:23 (UTC)

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From: [personal profile] feuervogel
Funny, I hated Corvallis, but I thought I might have liked Eugene. If Corvallis had a message, it was "GTFO, outsider."

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Hmm... Ann Arbor's could be something like "Foster and epitomize civilization and culture."
Date: 2008-05-30 02:01 (UTC)

From: [identity profile] 477150n.livejournal.com
Hm, Boulder... "Run" and "Do science"
Date: 2008-05-30 03:31 (UTC)

From: [identity profile] malva-neglecta.livejournal.com
There's a general "spend time outside" feeling here, so long as motion is involved.

The 'do science' is funny because that is what I do in Boulder.

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From: [identity profile] mrf-arch.livejournal.com
most honored & respectable thing you can be [...] in Boston, it's a smart person who had a great idea or created something new;

In Boston it's "someone whose family tree came off the Mayflower" although that tribe started dying out in the latter half of the 20th century, and will probably recede to insignificance in a few decades more.

I never got a deep sense of the message of Pittsburgh (college students tend to to get deeply enmeshed in the zeitgeist unless they came looking for it in the first place) but my impression is that it was along the lines of "give me an honest day's pay for an honest day's work, and a shipshape home to raise my family in." As though the city's ambitions were not set by the aspirations of the steel barons, but the aspirations of their thousands of millworkers.
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Date: 2008-05-30 19:23 (UTC)

From: [identity profile] dscheuring.livejournal.com
NH: Those kids better stay off my God-damned lawn.

Basically the same thing in other directions:

They better keep their taxes off my God-damned money.
They better keep their laws off my God-damned freedom.

In other words: Everybody better mind their own God-damned business.
Date: 2008-06-01 00:17 (UTC)

From: [identity profile] listgirl.livejournal.com
I didn't see the "NH" in D's comment but knew instantly what state is was.
Date: 2008-05-30 19:26 (UTC)

From: [identity profile] lil-brown-bat.livejournal.com
So, if I understand the author's premise it's something like:

  1. Some cities out put a message which is sort of like a pheremone to what the author labels as "ambitious" people.
  2. Some cities don't put out any such message. The author seems to feel that this makes them, well...really quite nice I'm sure, but not all that interesting.
  3. The "ambitious" people named in the first point have different aspirations, and are attracted to places where those who succeed at their particular flavor of aspiration are valued.

To which my response would be:

  1. "Cities" don't put out anything, don't be ridiculous.
  2. Whatever, dude.
  3. So, people who are likely to be successful at x (or who think they can be) tend to gravitate to wherever x is valued. Stop the presses.

The whole article, I must say, has a tooth-grating air of self-satisfaction to it. Clearly the author is proud to live in the Athens of America, or at least as filtered through his perceptions, and to be contributing his "ambitions" to what makes us all read Proust on the Green Line. Likewise, he seems to be unable to value people or environments whose primary approach is not driven by "ambition". It's good, I suppose, to know what you value; it's unfortunate if you project your values and assume them to be universal rather than subjective. The distinction between ambition and aspiration is one that probably escapes the author, but I suspect there are a good many people who, while not at all ambitious (and therefore dismissed by the author as "quite nice really", nevertheless aspire to a great deal.
Date: 2008-05-30 23:08 (UTC)

feuervogel: photo of the statue of Victory and her chariot on the Brandenburg Gate (Default)
From: [personal profile] feuervogel
This. Very much.
Date: 2008-06-01 00:18 (UTC)

From: [identity profile] listgirl.livejournal.com
PHX: YAY! Air conditioning!
Date: 2008-06-04 06:56 (UTC)

Denver

From: [identity profile] silvernin.livejournal.com
drink, a lot, and do extreme sports. not necessarily in that order.

I'm a bit biased though. And Denver is definitely different from Boulder.
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